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happy thanksgiving to everyone this is

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the host of podcast ufo and the reason

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a little housekeeping here you can

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what's going on alejandro hello ufos are

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basic goes to washington

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buy sweaters and ties and various other

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gifts for people mostly of which are not

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the receiver victoria secrets yes uh

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that they sell and the ones that my

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travis walton recently

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but they actually denied one of my

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blogs and this is about this space warp

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project

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because i've interviewed i i think you

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might have to this gentleman named david

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paris

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yes uh who's an adjunct professor he

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out of the university of uh nebraska and

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other schools out there

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him along with some grad students and

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some engineers

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have put together what they believe is a

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space warf technology

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now they are having an indiegogo

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campaign to crowdfund this technology in

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order to

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build a working model a drone that will

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fly around

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i think this is extremely exciting and

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so i wrote about it on our site but i i

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posted a blog for huffington post and

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for some reason

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they denied me which is so frustrating

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for me because

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i was hoping to get their project in a

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bigger venue get more eyes on it

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because i think they deserve a shot you

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know they're not asking for a whole lot

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of money but

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i i would love to see them possibly

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build

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something to ferret this out to discover

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whether this technology that they've

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uh believed they've been able to

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demonstrate works or not

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yeah that is surprising yeah so you know

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give lee some

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some stuff for me give him a hard time

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i'll try

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yeah although admittedly he is helping

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me and hopefully he will get that posted

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but

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their kickstarter campaign is not or i'm

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sorry it's indiegogo is

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not lasting very much longer it's only

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going for a few more days so i urge

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people to go up there and to

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give them some money i think this is a

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really cool project

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and the second of course is the mufon

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website which we talked about

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last week so they've still got that

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rolling about a week left

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uh they've actually gotten now close to

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twenty thousand dollars i guess people

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have mailed in they've got close to

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thirty thousand if you include those

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but through the kickstarter they've got

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about something like fifteen thousand

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now so they've got a week to go to make

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their seventy eight

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000. however the third is one that i'm

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really excited about as well which is

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robert hastings is doing a

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uh documentary of course he's spoken

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with over 115

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witnesses to military witnesses to

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people who say they've worked at nuclear

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facilities and they have seen ufos and

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and or those ufos have reacted

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with the nuclear weapons so i think he's

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got some incredible

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information and research some people

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have argued well we've seen this on tv

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but robert hastings doesn't do tv he's

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frustrated with tv producers because he

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says they just take your research

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and they screw it up and i agree with

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them because

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usually they they do add dubious

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material it's very

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frustrating that the producers aren't

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more careful with your research

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so he's uh usually denies when

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he gets requests to work with tv

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production

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companies so to see his pure data and

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research which is

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amazing uh he's trying to work on a

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documentary he said he was given a

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hundred thousand dollars he's gone

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through that he just needs twenty five

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thousand more

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to finish this up so he's asking people

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for donations

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so hopefully people will do that because

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uh you can even watch a five-minute clip

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there and it's

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chuck full of these amazing sightings

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and cases

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as told by these military witnesses so

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everybody's uh vying for your money um

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maybe give a little bit to each i don't

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know what to advise you there but

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uh you know chicken five bucks or

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something people

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right okay yeah the last story is just

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to kind of relate it to the ufo nukes

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it's just in alabama recently there was

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a sighting over

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a nuclear power plant so that's just

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kind of interesting just to show that uh

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these sightings over uh nuclear sites

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still

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happen and that is the news from

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openmindset tv

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thanks so much and you can find links to

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this right in our show notes

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that'll go right to the story thanks so

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much alejandro and we'll be

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talking to you next week all right talk

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to you soon have a great day

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same to you good thanksgiving all right

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we're coming right back with

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lee spiegel from the huffington post and

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music

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by carrie lloyd whitehouse hang in for

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all right lee hey thanks for joining us

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on this special american holiday

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thanksgiving how are you

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well i'm fine and the happy turkey day

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to you too thank you and yeah what a

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nightmare last night was and i'm sorry

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we didn't get to record

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you and i were talking every few minutes

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and that

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just wasn't happening i know and i felt

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badly also for

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i had i had actually uh mentioned to a

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few friends of mine that

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they might want to catch the show live

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and

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i told them how to find it on on the

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internet and they they probably didn't

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hear us

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yeah i guess not now they're hearing

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reruns and kept waiting for you

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yeah hey um so last time you were on we

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ended the show

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um and you said that you were going to

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talk next time

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on how you brought ufos to the united

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nations

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and let's i know that was a long time

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ago and that's

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really interesting let's hear about that

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well you know

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it was a long time ago uh it seems like

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a lifetime ago

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and uh it's probably the the thing that

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i'm most proud of

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uh in my career working and researching

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ufos

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um a lot of people consider it still

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consider it

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a milestone in the whole effort of

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trying to get

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some kind of international disclosure uh

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about the ufo field

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back in 1977 i was i was noticing that

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the prime minister of grenada

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eric gary he had his own little crusade

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going on to try and get the united

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nations

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to pay attention to him to his he was he

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was really pleasing

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with the nations of the world to put

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some kind of a committee together to

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share and study ufos

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but i also noticed in the press that

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nobody was really taking him very

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seriously

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so i thought well boy this is this would

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be a great opportunity

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if the united nations would kind of step

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in

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with an idea

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of of trying to meet the man

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and and propose to do a pitch to him

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about

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maybe letting me help and so what i did

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was as you and i had discussed the last

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time i was on

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i i sent my 1975

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ufo documentary record album called ufos

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the credibility factor

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i sent a couple of copies of it over to

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the grenada mission

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at the united nations and i said to his

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ambassadors please give my

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album to your prime minister with my

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compliments

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and tell him that i'd love to meet him

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and discuss

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some ways that i could help him in his

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crusade

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to bring united nations and ufos

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together in some way

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and so they they they got the album down

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to him down to grenada and i was invited

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to the united nations on the night that

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eric gary was

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knighted and became sir eric gary

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and it was great it was it was like the

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first time i'd ever

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the only time actually that i'd ever

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been to the united nations with some

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pomp and circumstance ceremony and i got

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to see

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different leaders of of the united

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nations

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i mean i they certainly do this on a

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regular basis but that was not part of

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my life

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at the time and at some point during the

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evening

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i was introduced to sir eric gary and

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we went into a room alone

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where we could just talk for a few

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minutes and and i i said

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with all due respect sir i've been

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following your

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your crusade in the media to try and get

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the united nations to take you seriously

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about ufos but

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they're not taking you seriously i can

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help you do that are you interested

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and over a handshake he said yes i would

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be very much interested in having you do

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this

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so uh that's what we decided to do

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and and he offered to to fund

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uh my my part of the presentation in

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case i needed to do any traveling to

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collect speakers documents

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information and and i discovered at the

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time

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very quickly that you you cannot just

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walk into the united nations and say i'd

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like to do

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a presentation here they they just won't

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allow you to do that unless

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you are a member of a delegation

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or of a country that is interested in

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putting something together

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and i wasn't a member so they had to

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they had to make me a delegate and i

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actually got

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a delegate card that indicated

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that i was a delegate of grenada and in

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fact

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uh for any listeners who are really

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interested in

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seeing more about this if if they go to

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my website

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which is simply lee spiegel.com

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and click on the button that says un

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you will see my my official 1978

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grenada delegation card and other

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interesting pictures from that whole

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situation

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so i started off working on on the

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presentation

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and uh preparing all the materials that

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we were going to

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to need and and getting people lined up

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to become part of this like astronomer

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00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:04,640
jay allen heineck

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nuclear physicist stanton friedman

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astronaut gordon cooper astronomer

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jacques valley

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french astronomer claude pohair who had

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just

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created the the official french

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00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,280
ufo study group called japan and japan

571
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:25,440
is still in existence

572
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,440
and and other people the

573
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:32,480
uh major larry coyne who

574
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:35,200
was the the commander of a four-man

575
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:36,320
helicopter

576
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:40,080
who in 1973 was involved with a near

577
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:40,799
collision

578
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:44,240
with the ufo over ohio i mean i got all

579
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,039
these people

580
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,200
these were people who had primarily been

581
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,960
on my ufo album

582
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:51,280
so it was easy for me to get them to

583
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,480
come together and

584
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,480
and be with me at the united nations

585
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,840
because they already knew

586
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,799
that i was serious about this and they

587
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:00,799
all wanted to be at the um

588
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:03,840
so once i got them all to agree uh then

589
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:07,840
in july of 1978

590
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:10,880
there was a preliminary uh closed-door

591
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,400
meeting at the united nations

592
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,559
where the secretary general curt of all

593
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:18,400
time wanted to meet

594
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,679
with me and all of the people that i was

595
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:23,440
going to be bringing to the un later

596
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,240
that year

597
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,480
he basically wanted to know what are you

598
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,679
folks going to do here

599
00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:30,240
in november what's what's this all about

600
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,600
and and again if you listen is go to

601
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:35,200
leasepiegle.com and look at un you will

602
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:35,919
see

603
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,559
uh a kind of a famous picture of all of

604
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,080
us sitting around the table with the

605
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:41,600
secretary general

606
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:45,440
at our meeting and so i spent the rest

607
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,400
of that year

608
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,039
just compiling information getting

609
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,799
documents and pictures and

610
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,520
films and a variety of things to to put

611
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,559
together

612
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,200
for the presentation which was scheduled

613
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,880
near the end of november

614
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,720
when the the general assembly came back

615
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,480
together and they

616
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,280
they scheduled us to be uh in a very big

617
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,880
room called the special political

618
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,400
committee room

619
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,080
for all the nations and uh

620
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,200
gordon cooper who could not be there in

621
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,320
november

622
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,640
uh said to me you know look i want to be

623
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,159
part of this

624
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,720
but i have other obligations of what

625
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,200
what else can i do how can i help you

626
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,760
with what you're doing uh in new york

627
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:29,360
and i i said well you know what gordon

628
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,720
here's what you can do send me a letter

629
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,360
on your official stationery at the time

630
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,120
he was the vice president

631
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,640
for wed enterprises wed stands for

632
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,440
walter e

633
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,640
disney he worked for a disney company in

634
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,039
california and i said send me a letter

635
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:50,240
on your letterhead stationery basically

636
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,200
outlining

637
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,640
your personal views on ufos where they

638
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,760
might come from

639
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,000
why astronauts don't like talking about

640
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,120
it publicly

641
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,120
what the united nations should do about

642
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,960
it etc etc

643
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,200
and i said but don't address it to me

644
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,960
address it to

645
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,720
one of the ambassadors or the prime

646
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,400
minister of grenada

647
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,320
and their address at the mission of

648
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:15,840
grenada but send me the original letter

649
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,799
i will and before i give the original to

650
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,600
grenada

651
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,960
i will make a gazillion copies of it so

652
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:25,279
so that we can uh because part of what

653
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,000
we had to do

654
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,720
martin was because of of the different

655
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,039
languages that are used at the un

656
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,880
all the written materials that i had

657
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,640
gathered during the year

658
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,200
had to be translated into into the

659
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,799
various languages the

660
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,480
the main three or four languages that

661
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,240
are used there and so

662
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,720
i needed time to make sure that i handed

663
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,159
in all my materials

664
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,200
by a specific date so it could then be

665
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,799
worked out so all the different

666
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,799
languages could be covered

667
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,799
so it was it was it was an interesting

668
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:56,159
task but i was

669
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,120
i was so highly energized every day of

670
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,000
the year to do this

671
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,919
it was great now lee let me just

672
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,520
interrupt you for sure did you

673
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,440
were you also working a full-time job

674
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:06,880
while you were trying to do this

675
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,919
i was i was and well since you asked

676
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,120
uh i was working at the um to do this

677
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:18,000
during the day and by night i was a

678
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:19,200
maitre d

679
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,789
it was just something i need i needed to

680
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,880
bring in some extra money to to pay the

681
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,960
rent and other things because

682
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,360
uh because grenada was only giving me

683
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,559
enough money

684
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,760
to to handle my expenses

685
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,360
for what i was doing they weren't giving

686
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:39,679
me a living expense

687
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,279
fund and so i was i was okay with that

688
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,080
um because the like i i don't if i

689
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:47,520
recall i don't think the money that they

690
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,080
gave me

691
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,159
i don't know if i even had to declare it

692
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:52,080
because i got i got it from another

693
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,640
country

694
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,559
yeah yeah it's like i really can't

695
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,320
remember that and now see now that i'm

696
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:58,240
telling you this on the air now the irs

697
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,799
is gonna

698
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,880
gotta come get me it's already flagged

699
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,240
yeah

700
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,279
so um and

701
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,440
and you know even when i was working on

702
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:08,559
this project

703
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,159
uh many times i i knew

704
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:15,279
i just knew that i was being

705
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:19,039
watched and and and my phone was being

706
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,960
bugged yeah it's like

707
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,200
i'd be on the phone uh talking to

708
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:26,799
anybody whether it was somebody about

709
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,200
this

710
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,760
presentation or just friends or family

711
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,440
and and

712
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:32,880
there would be pauses in the

713
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,080
conversation and i could hear breathing

714
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,480
and i knew was it wasn't my breathing

715
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,600
and it wasn't the breathing of the

716
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:41,440
person i was talking to

717
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,640
um and and so a couple of times i just i

718
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,360
just said you know

719
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,960
screw this you know what i'm just gonna

720
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,120
go for it and i'd say something like

721
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,320
hey listen guys i know you're listening

722
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,559
and it's okay you're not going to get

723
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:55,919
anything from me that's going to be

724
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,400
worth

725
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,440
anything to anybody so you can either

726
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:01,520
continue listening and recording

727
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:04,880
or just take a break you know give it up

728
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,430
i i would do that just just to

729
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:12,720
acknowledge that

730
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:15,919
that that i i knew what was going on

731
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,640
and and this was kind of confirmed to me

732
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,559
a couple of months after the whole

733
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:24,240
presentation took place at the end of

734
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:25,120
the year

735
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,520
i got a call from attorney peter gersten

736
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,320
who was was very important at the time

737
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:33,679
in helping to

738
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:36,960
to get uh original

739
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,399
classified documents released from the

740
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,919
government by using the freedom of

741
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,440
information act

742
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,520
and and he was he was really responsible

743
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,200
for getting a lot of these documents out

744
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,799
and one day he called me

745
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:51,039
his office was up in the bronx near

746
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,880
yankee stadium

747
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,399
and he said listen i just got a new

748
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,080
batch of documents

749
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,799
and one of them is about you and and

750
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,399
what you did at the u.n

751
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,159
would you would you like me to send you

752
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,080
the document and i said

753
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,440
no i'm coming to your office right now

754
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,840
yeah don't do anything i want you to

755
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,840
hand it to me

756
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,840
i don't want it to get lost in the mail

757
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,360
or anything like that and

758
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,360
up up to the bronx i went i got this

759
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:19,760
this two-page document

760
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,200
in which it was uh it was written by

761
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,559
in in 1978 it had been written by

762
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:29,679
the american ambassador

763
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,200
to the united nations and it was written

764
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,480
to the secretary of state in washington

765
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:39,200
and it and it basically said that the

766
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,080
subject

767
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,279
of of the document was grenada ufo

768
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:44,480
crusade

769
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,000
deja vu yeah as

770
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,120
in here we go again unreal

771
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,320
okay and and it talked about

772
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,320
you know here's what grenada is is

773
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,000
working on this year at the um

774
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,520
here's what they're planning on doing at

775
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,360
the end of the year and

776
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,880
and it says you know undaunted by a lack

777
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,240
of response

778
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,679
to this ufo item since the 32nd

779
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,880
general assembly prime minister gary has

780
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,799
apparently laid the groundwork for a

781
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,240
blitzkrieg

782
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,360
sales pitch which will include a cast of

783
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:21,840
supporters ranging from scientists

784
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:24,720
to astronauts supplemented by a film

785
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,440
production

786
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,640
i mean i'm right now i'm actually

787
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,520
reading from the the document

788
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,559
goes on to say we understand

789
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,720
that the person responsible for bringing

790
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,880
the group together is producer lee

791
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,919
spiegel

792
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,600
who's produced an audio visual

793
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,360
presentation that will follow the

794
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,919
testimony of the experts

795
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,799
all of the people listed have been

796
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,480
officially accredited

797
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,520
to the un general assembly by grenada

798
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,600
so it then finishes the document

799
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,039
finishes by saying here's what they're

800
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,080
planning on doing in november

801
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,919
only a few countries have gone on record

802
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,440
with any position

803
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,799
on ufos uh basically

804
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:07,200
the ambassador is asking his bosses at

805
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:08,720
the state department

806
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:15,029
how do you want us to take any kind of

807
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:18,640
position on this one way or the other

808
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:21,760
and so i had this document in my hands

809
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,000
which

810
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,080
basically said to me yes they were

811
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,240
paying attention to what i was doing

812
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,760
wow um that's amazing and again i'll

813
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,679
i'll tell you again you listen is if if

814
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,279
you want to see the document

815
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,559
you can even copy it if you want it's on

816
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,520
the u.n page of my website at

817
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,679
leastbeagle.com

818
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,520
all i put all the stuff there so

819
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:43,600
everybody can see exactly

820
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,880
what this was all about wow uh

821
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,000
and and so we we

822
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:53,360
we did the presentation uh in november

823
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,039
and uh my my three main speakers

824
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:00,320
were ellen heineck jacques vallee

825
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,919
um larry coyne the uh

826
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,120
army uh helicopter pilot and and then

827
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:10,240
uh following um a lunch break press

828
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,360
conference

829
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:14,000
for the afternoon session uh stan

830
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,720
friedman

831
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,760
came out and and did his blitzkrieg

832
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,760
thing about how yes earth is being

833
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:22,640
visited by some extraterrestrials

834
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,720
so the upshot was that

835
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:29,039
all we were trying to do was to get

836
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,919
enough

837
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,399
official in our interest at the united

838
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,679
nations

839
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,159
so that some kind of committee could be

840
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,360
formed

841
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,960
uh to investigate and to share ufo

842
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:42,640
information from around the world

843
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:45,519
because the the one of the problems of

844
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,080
doing

845
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,600
something like this on this kind of a

846
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,320
scale is the the language

847
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,559
situation you get different countries

848
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:54,159
with different languages and they have

849
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,120
their own

850
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,600
uh reports how do you how do you get

851
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,120
this stuff to share it and

852
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,960
and to translate the languages it's a

853
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,200
huge it's a huge task

854
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,519
and and so we were just trying to get a

855
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,799
small committee

856
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,720
formed that wouldn't cost the united

857
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,320
nations a lot of money

858
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,279
and i i didn't even want to necessarily

859
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,039
or need to be part of the committee

860
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,880
it was once the committee was set up it

861
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:19,279
could just run by itself

862
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,279
and in the end the the then

863
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,240
soviet union and the united states

864
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,000
vetoed the resolution

865
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,600
and i pretty much killed it you know

866
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,640
because none of the other none of the

867
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,600
other countries

868
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,159
wanted to want to go along with it and

869
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,320
now here's here's kind of a

870
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,679
you know fast forward like 30 years

871
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,120
later

872
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,720
um i discovered um this is just a couple

873
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,240
of years ago

874
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,320
i i'm working for huffington post and

875
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,640
writing a lot of stories

876
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,799
uh there was a point in time when the

877
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:54,840
united kingdom

878
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,840
was releasing to the public they were

879
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:58,240
doing

880
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,080
these occasional releases of all of the

881
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,760
british ministry of defense ufo files

882
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,840
that they had they had gathered from for

883
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,960
decades

884
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,600
and in batches they were releasing these

885
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:13,679
files to the public

886
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,720
and and so during one of these release

887
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:19,519
points my editor came up to me and said

888
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,919
um

889
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
looks like great britain is releasing

890
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,440
some more ufo files do you want to do

891
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,120
a piece about it i said sure because

892
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:26,480
they usually have some good stuff in

893
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,120
there

894
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,200
and i could do a couple of interviews

895
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:30,960
and make it a good story

896
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:34,559
so i started going through the the files

897
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,159
that they had released and and i i i

898
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,039
read a story from the bbc the bbc had

899
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,399
gotten the first batch

900
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,640
of um declassified files and they

901
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,519
released them

902
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,760
so i was looking at the bbc story and

903
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,519
and it said

904
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,840
among the more interesting files

905
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,559
released

906
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:55,600
today by the bbc are some

907
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,760
that show that in 1978

908
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:02,799
great britain tried to stop

909
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,240
a u.n presentation from happening really

910
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,440
and i went i'm sorry what

911
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,119
let me let me let me read that over

912
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,960
again and make sure i read that

913
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,240
correctly

914
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,520
yeah in 1978 the the un was putting a

915
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,839
presentation together or someone was and

916
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,119
that

917
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,159
good idea

918
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,079
i went no wait a minute this camp this

919
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:27,839
can't possibly be

920
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,520
my presentation but yes it was

921
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,639
wow and and so i i dug out

922
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,800
more of the documents that had just been

923
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,480
released a couple of years ago about

924
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:39,520
this

925
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:46,240
and

926
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,159
this is a good idea because

927
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,399
uh it would it would not leave the

928
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,760
united nations

929
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:56,560
with a good reputation if all of a

930
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:57,040
sudden

931
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,880
it was it was doing something about ufos

932
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,040
and i thought well wait a minute the

933
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,960
united nations has its own problems

934
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,079
anyway

935
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,720
um you know talking about ufos isn't

936
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,720
just going to add to the problems

937
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,920
i went to my editor and i said listen um

938
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,160
this has now become like a personal

939
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,520
issue for me

940
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,000
i would like to write the story but i

941
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,440
would like to write it in the first

942
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,800
person

943
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,160
basically and basically say i've

944
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,000
uncovered these documents

945
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:29,119
um that great britain tried to stop my

946
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,160
presentation

947
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,320
and now i'm just finding out about this

948
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,079
like three decades later

949
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,200
are you kidding this is a story

950
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,480
and one of the things that i did was to

951
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,160
call up and interview my friend nick

952
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,160
pope

953
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,440
who for a few years in the 1990s

954
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:50,640
he ran the ufo office

955
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,599
at the ministry of defense he was in

956
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,560
charge of

957
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,640
looking at all the ufo information that

958
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,640
came through the office

959
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,880
so when i got him on the phone first

960
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:02,000
thing he said to me was

961
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,079
i know why you're calling really

962
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,839
why is that he said he said well maybe

963
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,200
because we just released some

964
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,800
information about

965
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:13,680
your presentation in 1978 and i said

966
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,160
yeah

967
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:16,720
nick um what can you tell me about this

968
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,440
and he said

969
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:20,320
well first of all i had nothing to do

970
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,599
with this

971
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,720
you you can't blame me because when

972
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,720
when you were doing your presentation i

973
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,400
was only a teenager

974
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,720
so i wasn't even working at the ministry

975
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,400
of defense yet

976
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,920
i said all right all right you're off

977
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,440
the hook um

978
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:38,800
but but why why would the

979
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,000
great united kingdom not want this to

980
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,599
come out he said because they thought

981
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:45,599
that the u.n would be embarrassed

982
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,800
or would be shamed or or that it would

983
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,680
just

984
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,200
place the whole united nations

985
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:54,160
organization in disrepute or ill repute

986
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,640
i said

987
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,839
really you you're kidding me he said for

988
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:59,280
for better or worse

989
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:02,320
that's what happened and and he said i

990
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,720
just

991
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:05,359
i will go on record right now i will

992
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,160
give you an

993
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:09,200
unofficial apology on behalf of my

994
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,839
country

995
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:12,079
because since i had nothing to do with

996
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,880
it

997
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:15,200
i can only apologize for me to you and i

998
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,640
said you know what

999
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:19,680
i accept your apology uh 30 years late

1000
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:20,000
but

1001
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,160
yeah okay so so i i obviously

1002
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,320
martin i i must have i must have hit a

1003
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:29,520
nerve there somewhere in 1978

1004
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,960
um to get the the um the united states

1005
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,480
ambassador and the state department

1006
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,079
interested in what i was doing

1007
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,720
to get great britain wanting to shut the

1008
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
whole thing down

1009
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,160
even before we we put the presentation

1010
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,200
together

1011
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,440
it it was really interesting to watch

1012
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,599
this all take place

1013
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,480
the upshot was that we did the

1014
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:51,599
presentation in

1015
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,359
november of 1978 a couple of months

1016
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,040
later uh sir eric gary

1017
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,800
was overthrown in a political takeover

1018
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,960
in grenada so he was suddenly out of

1019
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,839
power

1020
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,800
and just a couple of few years after

1021
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,520
that

1022
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,520
i'm sitting at home watching the nightly

1023
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,160
news and there's this big news item and

1024
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,480
this is under president ronald reagan

1025
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:19,200
that all of a sudden the news item is

1026
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,400
the united states

1027
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,440
has just invaded grenada right do you

1028
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,680
remember that i sure do

1029
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,320
man i was sitting there watching this

1030
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:30,320
and the only thought that came to my

1031
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,550
i mean really did you really think that

1032
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,760
oh yeah

1033
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:42,000
listen man i was following the timeline

1034
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,200
of all this stuff

1035
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,480
here here's eric gary in 1977

1036
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,400
talking it up talking ufos up to the

1037
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,119
united nations trying to stir up the pot

1038
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,240
then in 1978 i make a deal with him to

1039
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,800
do a big presentation about ufos with

1040
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,760
some big time

1041
00:39:00,950 --> 00:39:00,079
speakers and personalities incredible

1042
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:00,960
people

1043
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,119
um and now i'm stirring the pot and then

1044
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,400
as we now know great britain is is

1045
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,640
trying to stop this from happening

1046
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:13,200
in 1978 and i didn't know that at the

1047
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,240
time

1048
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,480
and then we do our presentation it it

1049
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,079
goes over really well

1050
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:20,160
and and suddenly both the united states

1051
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,280
and the soviet union

1052
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:23,359
and maybe they were maybe they they

1053
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,560
vetoed this

1054
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,680
together i don't know but

1055
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,079
so the resolution died it's still

1056
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,839
available if somebody wants to pick it

1057
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,520
up and run with it again

1058
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,800
and then and then and then all of a

1059
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,520
sudden eric gary is overthrown

1060
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,800
in a political coup and and then

1061
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,960
we invade grenada so when i put all

1062
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,480
these little elements of the timeline

1063
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:46,960
together i'm i'm sitting here going holy

1064
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:54,630
i mean i could i could never prove that

1065
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:54,960
but

1066
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,800
gee whiz i mean really yeah the timing

1067
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,040
something else i mean i i didn't want to

1068
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,400
ever leave my apartment again

1069
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,760
well one of the people you mentioned you

1070
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,480
know all those people you mentioned are

1071
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,960
iconic but one of them i want to talk

1072
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,680
about

1073
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,119
is um gordon cooper he was

1074
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:18,400
one solid guy if you ask me you know i

1075
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,280
mean

1076
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,480
he was just uh such a cautious man

1077
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,319
in everything he did and anyone that

1078
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:26,400
becomes an astronaut first of all

1079
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,240
has to be you know grade a and

1080
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,640
um i always enjoyed hearing the accounts

1081
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,839
of his two

1082
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,160
situations not actually two but talking

1083
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,800
about world war ii um and the fighter

1084
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,560
jets and seeing basically the foo

1085
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:42,079
fighters or whatever they called them

1086
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,160
and then um when he was involved in that

1087
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:49,280
uh ufo landing when he was filming that

1088
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,760
day

1089
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,920
that's right what was he like in person

1090
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,359
he was he was a great guy

1091
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,640
uh we we became friends and and i'll

1092
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,839
tell you

1093
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,040
while i was working on the the

1094
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,560
presentation as i told you i was a

1095
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,680
maitre d

1096
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,760
at an upper east side new york

1097
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,440
restaurant when gordon

1098
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,119
was coming into new york to do things he

1099
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,560
would call he would call me ahead of

1100
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,359
time

1101
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:12,079
and and say i'm coming in on a friday

1102
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,520
can you give me a good table at the

1103
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,280
restaurant

1104
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,480
and and and if there are any young

1105
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,440
ladies around that you'd like me to meet

1106
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:24,560
um i i'd certainly enjoy meeting some

1107
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:25,119
people and

1108
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,870
he was a great guy and in fact

1109
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,920
um even before i did the

1110
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:38,560
the un presentation i first met gordon

1111
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,160
in

1112
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,560
1975 uh when he was

1113
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,240
one of the astronauts that i had on my

1114
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:46,319
ufo documentary album

1115
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,839
and and on one of my trips to california

1116
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,280
to interview him i interviewed him

1117
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,160
several times that year in 75

1118
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,839
he had me meet him uh over at the

1119
00:42:01,030 --> 00:42:00,319
over the disney where he worked uh

1120
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,040
because

1121
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,200
we were going to go and play tennis that

1122
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,560
day

1123
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:07,119
and and i was i was totally up for that

1124
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,599
uh

1125
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,040
oh my god i'm going to play tennis with

1126
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,599
gordon cooper this is very cool

1127
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,720
so we met we went to a tennis court and

1128
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,960
and he brought out a couple of cans of

1129
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,920
of wilson

1130
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,480
tennis balls they were unopened and he

1131
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:22,960
cracked open the can

1132
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,839
and these balls came out and and every

1133
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:27,040
one of the balls

1134
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,599
had the image of mickey mouse on them

1135
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,359
i thought that's pretty cool because you

1136
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,640
can't really buy

1137
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,079
i don't think you could buy these

1138
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,839
particular tennis balls in

1139
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,760
in a sporting goods store but wow we're

1140
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,960
playing with mickey mouse balls

1141
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,599
so that's that's the kind of guy he was

1142
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,200
um

1143
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,800
we used to talk about a lot of

1144
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,400
interesting things

1145
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,839
in in 1980 i believe it was i did an

1146
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,720
interview with him for the old omni

1147
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,000
magazine do you recall

1148
00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,640
harmony omni omni was a magazine that

1149
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:01,359
was

1150
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:07,760
consumer friendly magazine

1151
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:11,119
and i was one of their featured writers

1152
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,599
and i asked them if they'd be interested

1153
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,280
in having me put together

1154
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:17,200
for their interview of the month an

1155
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,480
interview with gordon cooper and they

1156
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,480
said yeah absolutely

1157
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,960
so we we sat down we talked about a

1158
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:24,640
variety of things

1159
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,079
from his days as an astronaut from uh

1160
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:30,000
from that and and what we did at the

1161
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,280
united nations

1162
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,599
and you know i can't remember

1163
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,200
specifically

1164
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:38,720
how the topic came around to this

1165
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:41,680
but at some point during the interview

1166
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,560
we started talking about time travel

1167
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,520
uh i had um i'd always been interested

1168
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,280
in this i think most people are it's one

1169
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,880
of those things that you grew up and

1170
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,960
you see you see movies you read books

1171
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,560
and you hear about time travel

1172
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,160
it's something that we're all kind of

1173
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,000
fascinated with

1174
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,720
and we were just talking about it and

1175
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,720
and he just kind of blurted out

1176
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,920
something to the effect you know

1177
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:08,319
i'm working with some astronauts not

1178
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,440
astronauts i'm working with some

1179
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:11,280
scientists i have some scientist friends

1180
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,079
out here

1181
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,280
who are in the process now

1182
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,920
of trying to put a time machine together

1183
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,839
i went really and this was my this is

1184
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:21,520
again this was 1980

1185
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:24,960
okay it's like really a time machine

1186
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,800
and how how exactly would this work

1187
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,599
he said well the they're working on a

1188
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,319
theory of something called orthogonal

1189
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,520
rotation and for some reason martin

1190
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,480
i never forgot that phrase and i'm still

1191
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,160
not sure what it means

1192
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:45,040
but but this is what he said and all

1193
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,319
this went into

1194
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,280
the final interview that i did with him

1195
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:50,400
he said yeah they're working on

1196
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:51,040
something called

1197
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,880
orthogonal rotation where the vehicle

1198
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,359
or the chair or the whatever it is that

1199
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,520
you you'd be sitting in

1200
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:02,000
it rotates in such a way at such a

1201
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,119
frequency

1202
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,760
that that they believe that it can break

1203
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:06,960
the bounds

1204
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,000
of of time and traveling and i said

1205
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,920
well okay how close are they to

1206
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:16,560
finishing such a device he said well

1207
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:16,960
they're

1208
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,920
going to happen and they'll they'll have

1209
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,880
it ready

1210
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,800
for some kind of testing soon i said

1211
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,640
that's unbelievable

1212
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,520
um and i said so so tell me more about

1213
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,640
this is

1214
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:31,520
uh do they think they'll be able to send

1215
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:32,079
something

1216
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,839
or someone either into the future or

1217
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,720
into the past

1218
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,760
he said well they think that

1219
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,520
the only way that they can get this to

1220
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,920
work is to go into the past

1221
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,960
and i said well okay he said they

1222
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,359
haven't

1223
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,760
quite figured out the calculations or

1224
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,560
the science

1225
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,319
or the technology to go in both

1226
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,560
directions and i said all right

1227
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:57,599
now next question gordon um

1228
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,800
who would be foolish enough to sit

1229
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,880
in something that could only be

1230
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:05,599
basically a one-way trip

1231
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,760
and he said you're looking at him really

1232
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,160
yeah and at that moment i realized well

1233
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,640
you know what

1234
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,680
every probably the bravest

1235
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,800
individuals on the planet are test

1236
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,240
pilots

1237
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:25,119
because they have to be they have to be

1238
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,000
afraid of

1239
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,200
nothing in order to do what they do

1240
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,319
i mean all that whole right stuff that

1241
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:35,280
we've heard about and we saw in the book

1242
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,599
uh

1243
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,200
and in the movie with the early

1244
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:38,960
astronauts that they they took

1245
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,000
so many chances um

1246
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,119
you know to to test all of these

1247
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:47,440
new vehicles including the new stealth

1248
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:48,319
vehicles that

1249
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:51,760
that we have people of the right stuff

1250
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,280
they basically are afraid of nothing

1251
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,160
uh and and he was one he was you know

1252
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,720
you have to have that kind of attitude

1253
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:03,040
and he was one of those individuals and

1254
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,079
i said really you

1255
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,880
you would take uh and you would give up

1256
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,760
everything

1257
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,480
your life here your family to go

1258
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,359
someplace

1259
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,359
and never be heard or seen from again he

1260
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,520
said well yeah

1261
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,079
because it's all part of you know

1262
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,839
science and advancement i said yeah but

1263
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,000
you're you're talking about

1264
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,280
knowing that you're not going to come

1265
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,680
back it's like you know people now

1266
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:28,480
nowadays they talk about uh preparing

1267
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,359
for the first

1268
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,079
trip to mars and to become and they're

1269
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,160
saying that they're actually taking

1270
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,839
i guess some kind of pre-applications

1271
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,520
for people who want to go to mars

1272
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:40,079
but knowing that there's no return trip

1273
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,880
right

1274
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,440
i think there was like i want to say

1275
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:45,359
hundreds of thousands of people signed

1276
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,079
up for that

1277
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:49,920
i know yeah isn't that amazing uh

1278
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,200
i mean i i don't personally understand

1279
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,800
the attitude

1280
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,839
um but but i guess that there there is a

1281
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,400
sense that you know it's not just a

1282
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,480
matter of doing something for science

1283
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,119
i think there are people who are so

1284
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:07,599
unhappy with the way things are going on

1285
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:10,960
this planet that that they would welcome

1286
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,640
uh a move to go somewhere else and

1287
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,720
that's crossed my mind too that would if

1288
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:18,800
that's part of the reason

1289
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,400
yeah so yeah i so gordon cooper was like

1290
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,880
one of those guys and i'm assuming that

1291
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,599
maybe

1292
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,760
all test pilots would have would have

1293
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,800
taken

1294
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:31,520
uh that kind of a trip and so here we

1295
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:32,000
are

1296
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,319
that was 1980 now we're in 2014

1297
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,200
i'm going to assume but i don't know for

1298
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,200
sure so i can't prove it

1299
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,480
i'm going to assume that a time machine

1300
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,680
has been built and has been experimented

1301
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,400
with

1302
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:51,200
and then some kind of results but again

1303
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:51,920
i don't know

1304
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:55,040
no no documents have been released about

1305
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,160
this thing i mean

1306
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,319
certainly it would be a top secret kind

1307
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,440
of project

1308
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,880
but but wow how fascinating is that

1309
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,400
well you know when i was a kid i used to

1310
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,920
say kind of as a joke that

1311
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:08,000
they'll never invite invent a time

1312
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:09,359
machine because otherwise we'd see

1313
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,160
people from

1314
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,880
you know from the future but uh but who

1315
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,440
knows

1316
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,200
you know i mean one of the theories of

1317
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,520
what ufos or some ufos

1318
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,559
could be yeah that that they could be us

1319
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,520
or humans from the future coming back in

1320
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,559
time

1321
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,800
with some kind of a some kind of a star

1322
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,200
trek non-intervention policy

1323
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,119
it's like you can go back in time you

1324
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,800
can you can observe things

1325
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,599
but do not do anything to change history

1326
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,520
do not step on the butterfly let's say

1327
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,640
yeah yeah yeah yeah so what it's all

1328
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,800
really fascinating stuff it'd be great

1329
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,000
it's it's always great

1330
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,400
material for new movies and new books

1331
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:47,520
and and we all

1332
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,800
eat this stuff up that's right

1333
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,760
now i want to i want to talk about a

1334
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,400
recent

1335
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,440
interview you had yes um

1336
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,440
rolling stones and i want to say her

1337
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:00,880
name is elephant

1338
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,319
elephant elephant yes so

1339
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,400
i i watched the interview and where can

1340
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:08,079
someone find that it's on youtube i'm

1341
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,720
sure

1342
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:11,280
actually if if if if you want to just do

1343
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,319
like um

1344
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,760
it's it's on youtube but i think that

1345
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:15,440
the easiest thing to do if anybody wants

1346
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,400
to look at it

1347
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,559
uh just do a google search and just

1348
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,000
simply type in

1349
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:23,280
elephant sex and and let me let me spell

1350
00:50:30,030 --> 00:50:23,920
her name

1351
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:31,430
e-l-l-i-p-h-a-n-t

1352
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:39,680
elephant she is a a swedish

1353
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,680
rock star who has a variety of

1354
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,000
provocative videos out there

1355
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
and several albums and she's on a tour

1356
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:50,880
right now to promote these things

1357
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,079
and a couple months ago rolling stone

1358
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,200
magazine brought her into new york um

1359
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,680
to bring her to their their ufo their

1360
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,839
ufo

1361
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,000
you see you see what's on my brain yeah

1362
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,280
they brought it to new york

1363
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,319
to the to the rolling stone studios to

1364
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,760
have her interview someone about

1365
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,200
something she's interested in and when

1366
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,480
they asked her what do you want to talk

1367
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,599
about she said

1368
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,800
i want to talk to someone about ufos so

1369
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,000
they so it finally came to me and they

1370
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,319
invited me to come up to the studios and

1371
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:26,400
and be interviewed by elephant

1372
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,079
and um i was happy to do it um

1373
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,599
because i looked her up on the internet

1374
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:33,440
and i and i checked her out and she was

1375
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:34,079
she's

1376
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:37,520
totally totally cute oh yes and so

1377
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,270
and so so i i went there and we we

1378
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:48,079
sat and we talked uh for about for an

1379
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,200
hour

1380
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,040
that's how long the interview lasted and

1381
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,200
they they condensed it down to about a

1382
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,240
three minute

1383
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,040
version which they released uh just a

1384
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,960
few days ago with a little story that

1385
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:00,400
goes with it

1386
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,680
and basically elephant has been

1387
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,359
interested in ufos

1388
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,599
she says like like forever she they

1389
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:08,720
quoted her saying

1390
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,800
i look for a ufo every moment i get okay

1391
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,520
um and and so we we talked about a

1392
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,960
variety of things but she

1393
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:19,040
she was kind of interested in focusing

1394
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,240
on things

1395
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:23,520
like i mean when she asked me if i had

1396
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:23,839
ever

1397
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:27,040
had my own personal close encounter with

1398
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,160
something that i might

1399
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,240
consider as a spaceship and when i

1400
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:32,160
honestly said yes

1401
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:35,920
her her one word response was cool

1402
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,319
don't let's not get into details yeah i

1403
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,319
mean i was fully ready to tell her about

1404
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,920
my story that i think i told you the

1405
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,359
last time yes

1406
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,400
but but she went from cool to i think

1407
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,480
the next thing she said was

1408
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,559
um you know i really would like to

1409
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:51,520
become the mother

1410
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,800
of an alien hybrid baby and didn't you

1411
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,160
say something like

1412
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,240
get in line yeah yeah it's exactly what

1413
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,079
i said well i started laughing and i

1414
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:01,839
said you're going to have to get in line

1415
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,839
uh and and and then she would ask me

1416
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,280
she said she'd say cold-blooded or

1417
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,359
hot-blooded and i went what do you mean

1418
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,440
do you think they're cold-blooded aliens

1419
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:13,119
or hot-blooded aliens and i said

1420
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:14,319
elephant

1421
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,240
i i can't possibly answer that because

1422
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,440
how would i know i have no in insider

1423
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,000
knowledge

1424
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,520
on this uh i only really believe

1425
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:28,400
uh that that we are being visited by

1426
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,960
someone

1427
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,040
and she immediately went cool and raised

1428
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,760
both of her arms up over her head

1429
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,359
you know that that is an interesting

1430
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,800
question i would have never thought

1431
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,000
to even think of that yeah

1432
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,319
i mean she she uh she wanted to go in

1433
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:43,680
the direction of

1434
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:46,960
uh do aliens um have

1435
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,319
love in their lives and and i said well

1436
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,680
it would be a sad thing if they didn't

1437
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:56,960
but but again i don't know

1438
00:54:00,630 --> 00:54:00,400
all that i know is what scientists tell

1439
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,640
me

1440
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,800
this seth shawstak the the senior

1441
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,240
astronomer at the seti

1442
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:06,800
institute in california and all that

1443
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:07,440
they do

1444
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:11,599
constantly searching the heavens

1445
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,640
um for any signs of intelligent life and

1446
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,000
seth

1447
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,359
told me that the current uh

1448
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,480
thinking is that in our

1449
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,520
galaxy our little ordinary milky way

1450
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:27,359
galaxy

1451
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:31,760
that there might be tens of thousands

1452
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,960
of habitable planets and that there

1453
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,079
are very likely many planets

1454
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:41,440
that have intelligent civilizations on

1455
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:42,400
them

1456
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,599
uh and we're only talking about

1457
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,599
this little galaxy that we live in

1458
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,079
because now we know that there are

1459
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:53,119
billions and billions of galaxies out

1460
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:53,760
there

1461
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,880
so when when when people say to me well

1462
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,480
you know what proof of their

1463
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:01,200
is there of life in the universe i show

1464
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,160
them a picture

1465
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,079
of the hubble telescope that was that

1466
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,240
was released earlier this year

1467
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,680
that in one little picture shows 10 000

1468
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:12,240
galaxies i show this picture to people

1469
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:12,960
and i say

1470
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:16,000
to me that's proof look at look at that

1471
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:16,960
picture

1472
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,240
because each galaxy

1473
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,280
has billions of stars

1474
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:26,640
most of those stars have planets

1475
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,400
around them so statistically

1476
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:33,119
you can't fight the odds there's life

1477
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,240
out there

1478
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:36,079
and that's my proof and i'm i'm

1479
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,160
comfortable with that as proof to myself

1480
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,760
other people will say well no that's not

1481
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,160
proof enough well i don't care

1482
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,359
um you know i've said to people martin

1483
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:50,160
if you get 10 people line them up sit

1484
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,119
them down

1485
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,280
and and start from one end of the line

1486
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,040
to the other and ask them all

1487
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,160
what would it take for you to to believe

1488
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,520
that earth is being visited by someone

1489
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,920
you'll get 10 different answers right

1490
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:05,680
you know i mean that's just the way

1491
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:09,200
human nature is um and so i i am

1492
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,400
comfortable

1493
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,960
believing what i believe and i don't

1494
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,400
feel like i have to

1495
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,359
i have to defend myself and i often have

1496
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,400
to i have

1497
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,359
lots of people who who write comments in

1498
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,119
my stories or send me emails

1499
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,280
and tell me that i'm full of crap that

1500
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,960
that i can't possibly know what i'm

1501
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:27,920
saying and

1502
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:31,280
and i say i'm i'm not an expert i just

1503
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:31,920
present

1504
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,200
people and i'm i'm very fortunate to be

1505
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,200
able to pick up a phone and call

1506
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:40,559
leading scientists and military people

1507
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,160
and law enforcement people and ask them

1508
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,720
what they think of this stuff uh you're

1509
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:48,319
not just getting my opinions you're

1510
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,040
getting

1511
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,599
my beliefs based on the conversations i

1512
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:52,960
have with people who

1513
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,319
we should be listening to um

1514
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,880
you know when elephant asked me or told

1515
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:59,599
me

1516
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,119
an alien baby

1517
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,640
uh my response to in addition to when i

1518
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,000
said you have to get in line

1519
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,720
i also said that and they didn't they

1520
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,559
did not include this in the three-minute

1521
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,160
version of the video

1522
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:16,400
i said to her i know people who you

1523
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,680
could talk to

1524
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,319
who could perhaps put you in touch with

1525
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,720
that situation

1526
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,880
like i i guess the rolling stone editors

1527
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,000
didn't think that that was

1528
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,920
credible enough for me to say something

1529
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:29,920
like that but it's but it's true

1530
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:33,520
i do know people who claim

1531
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:37,680
that they are the fathers and daughters

1532
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:38,160
and

1533
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,359
i don't know how accurate it is but if

1534
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:45,280
she wants to talk to these people

1535
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,559
i can give her some phone numbers

1536
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,839
was there any other part of the

1537
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:52,000
conversation that they took away

1538
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,359
that you thought was pretty interesting

1539
00:58:03,430 --> 00:57:58,799
um well

1540
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,440
for example um i i started to mention

1541
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,839
that after i had done the the album in

1542
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,760
1975 and that i believe that we're being

1543
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,480
visited

1544
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,920
i tried to get her to ask me

1545
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,000
about the united nations presentation

1546
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,680
that you and i just talked about

1547
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,480
because that i is still a very important

1548
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,680
thing that i did

1549
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,640
but no there was she didn't really i

1550
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,920
mean we had the time we could have

1551
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,880
talked about it

1552
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,960
but she wanted to go in some other

1553
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,000
directions

1554
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,880
and and in fact at the end of the

1555
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:34,240
interview

1556
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:37,599
um you you and when you see it

1557
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,720
i i started asking her some questions uh

1558
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:41,839
and i asked her

1559
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,040
what what pieces of her

1560
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,520
music would she like to see be

1561
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,319
transmitted into outer space and her

1562
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,480
response to that was

1563
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:55,440
that's a very good question well you

1564
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:56,240
know

1565
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,359
during the interview

1566
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,960
while the cameras were still rolling

1567
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,720
they stopped the actual interview for a

1568
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,000
moment and the producer said

1569
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,119
to me why don't you ask elephant

1570
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:09,040
which which of her music she'd like to

1571
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,480
see go into outer space

1572
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,079
so i didn't come up with that myself

1573
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,119
they asked me to ask her that

1574
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,160
so of course so of course

1575
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:19,440
she thought that that was a very good

1576
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,430
you know and did she have an answer

1577
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,280
she did she said she said something like

1578
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,319
i would like my my new ep um

1579
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,680
my extra extended new video or song to

1580
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,079
or or album to be put out there and i

1581
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:39,440
and i then i said something like well do

1582
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,319
you think that

1583
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,240
that the the extraterrestrials would

1584
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:43,839
would get it would understand it as

1585
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,319
music

1586
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,359
as a form of our culture yes absolutely

1587
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:49,680
and and and it was at that point that

1588
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,400
the the

1589
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:52,480
the interview came to an end on the

1590
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:53,760
screen

1591
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:56,480
even even though she they didn't let you

1592
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,799
see

1593
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,160
where she says i've been sitting here

1594
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,520
talking with the professor

1595
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:03,040
well you know how those producers are

1596
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,480
they're always thinking you know where

1597
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:06,319
they can get their plugs in

1598
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,440
i i know and and and and you know it

1599
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,400
it wasn't until i got back to huffington

1600
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,400
post that day after doing the interview

1601
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,640
that i realized that throughout the

1602
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,160
entire hour

1603
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:21,599
that i was there with her she never once

1604
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:24,880
actually mentioned my name

1605
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,720
not what not not in the introduction

1606
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,400
her introduction was something like i'm

1607
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,160
here doing a special

1608
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,799
elephant interview and and now let's get

1609
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,599
into it

1610
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,520
and and suddenly there i was sitting on

1611
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,880
the other side of the table

1612
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,119
and the only the only way that readers

1613
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,640
or viewers would know that

1614
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:45,040
who i am was they put you know lee

1615
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:46,319
spiegel huffington post

1616
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,319
underneath me on the screen because i i

1617
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,280
i got back to huffington post i sent an

1618
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,880
email to the producer over there and i

1619
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,799
said listen do me a favor

1620
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,960
in your post production and editing

1621
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:01,440
please identify me on screen because

1622
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:04,799
because elephant never mentions my name

1623
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,480
is something else yeah yeah lee let's um

1624
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:11,200
let's get into some of your stories

1625
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:13,040
recently because i just saw the one that

1626
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,640
you wrote the other day

1627
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:17,920
and in new hampshire yeah

1628
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,200
uh pretty amazing i i kind of stumbled

1629
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,880
onto this

1630
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:25,040
over the last uh a few weeks ago i was

1631
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:26,160
up in new hampshire

1632
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:30,000
spending time with my family and my

1633
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,599
my 15 year old nephew benjamin

1634
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:35,440
came up to me and just very casually

1635
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:38,319
matter of factly said hey uncle lee

1636
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,079
i think i saw a ufo here in in october

1637
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:44,319
and i just thought i would tell you

1638
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,359
about it

1639
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,599
and i said well why did you not tell me

1640
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,720
about this before

1641
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:50,400
well i didn't know if you'd believe it

1642
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,839
and i didn't tell my parents because i

1643
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,359
didn't know if they would care

1644
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,960
but you're here so i'm just telling you

1645
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,559
about it and i said well what did it

1646
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:57,839
look like

1647
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,640
and he said well i took a picture of it

1648
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:02,160
would you like to see the picture

1649
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,440
and he went oh well yes now

1650
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,119
now we're talking of course i'd like to

1651
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,960
see the picture um

1652
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:11,680
and and he showed me um the picture and

1653
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:13,039
it's and it's right at the top of my

1654
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,680
story

1655
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,319
um at on huffington post it's it's like

1656
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:18,160
it's definitely a v-shape or

1657
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,079
boomerang object in the night sky

1658
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,160
it's very well lit and you can see you

1659
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:26,799
can see the actual shape of it

1660
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:29,599
and then when we zoomed in on it you

1661
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:30,400
could almost see

1662
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,240
three separate areas on it that are more

1663
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:36,400
well defined or more or more brightly

1664
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,520
lit than

1665
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,839
the and lit enough where the whole

1666
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,200
object is lit up

1667
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,400
so i basically i

1668
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,799
if if it wasn't my nephew i wouldn't

1669
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,000
know how reliable

1670
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,359
he was um but but because we're related

1671
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,359
and you know he wouldn't he wouldn't try

1672
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,960
and pull a fast one on me

1673
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,720
um i thought this was really interesting

1674
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,039
and a neighborhood friend was with him

1675
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,799
and i talked to both of them and i ended

1676
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:02,960
up going outside

1677
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,680
uh with ben and and i said well show me

1678
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:07,200
where you saw it in the sky

1679
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,640
let me let me ask you a few questions

1680
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,480
about it so i did a little interview

1681
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,720
with him about it and then i said let's

1682
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,000
go sit at the computer

1683
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,640
let's see if anybody else in town may

1684
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:18,400
have seen the same thing and maybe it

1685
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,520
was reported

1686
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,240
so he punched in we did a google search

1687
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,760
and all that he wrote was

1688
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,640
concord new hampshire ufo and we didn't

1689
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,160
even put any date on it

1690
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,440
um he saw it on october 5th but

1691
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,760
all we did was conquer new hampshire ufo

1692
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:35,680
and we found a couple of articles

1693
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:39,359
um that talked about how other people a

1694
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:40,240
family

1695
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:43,280
uh in nashua 30 miles south of

1696
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:46,640
concord on the same night about an hour

1697
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,079
later after ben's sighting they

1698
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,960
they saw this thing that came close to

1699
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,559
them above the trees and they were

1700
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,720
driving on a highway about 50 miles an

1701
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:58,960
hour and they said this thing was going

1702
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,000
maybe only 30 or 40 miles an hour and

1703
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,799
and and it was really really close and

1704
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:05,440
they got a

1705
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,480
very good look at it and it was also

1706
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,799
boomerang shaped or v-shaped and when

1707
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,319
they got home

1708
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:15,520
uh the the father jim jim bo

1709
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,960
uh quickly drew uh made an illustration

1710
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,119
of what they had just seen

1711
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:23,119
on the way home and then he took that

1712
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:24,240
illustration to

1713
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,079
his son john who created a computer

1714
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,920
rendition of it based on the

1715
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,280
illustration and

1716
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,520
and in my story i have both the original

1717
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,200
drawing and the computer

1718
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:37,599
rendition it's an amazing looking thing

1719
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:38,319
whatever

1720
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,559
it was and i i took all this information

1721
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,480
came back to new york and went to my

1722
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:46,000
editor and i said i think this is a good

1723
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:46,880
story

1724
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,960
um despite the fact that my nephew

1725
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,960
uh is one of the prime witnesses we

1726
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,640
shouldn't hold that against me

1727
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,720
uh i i'd like to i'd like to write the

1728
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:58,640
story and he said do it man so it's up

1729
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:00,160
there on the site right now for

1730
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:02,720
for all to see interesting sighting and

1731
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:03,440
and

1732
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:06,960
what i like a lot about it is is that in

1733
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,400
in so many ufo encounters um

1734
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,559
people don't have or or don't have the

1735
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:14,400
time to take a picture

1736
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,240
um ben is the only person who

1737
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,160
photographed this thing

1738
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,160
and yeah and and when you when it comes

1739
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:23,680
to ufos

1740
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:26,720
the credibility of of an image is

1741
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,680
is really important to the story and and

1742
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:30,960
so that's why

1743
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:33,359
that's why we went with it because it's

1744
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:34,559
it's a good

1745
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,280
credible story now what the object was

1746
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:42,319
we don't know i i interviewed a guy

1747
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:43,920
named mark podell he's with

1748
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:47,039
the mutual ufo network or mufon he's the

1749
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:47,920
new hampshire

1750
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:51,200
field investigator for mufon and his

1751
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:54,559
his analysis he's come back with

1752
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,839
thinking that

1753
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,520
he told me he's studied aircraft and

1754
01:06:02,549 --> 01:05:59,440
propulsion systems for

1755
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:02,559
25 years he thinks that what these folks

1756
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:03,599
all saw

1757
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,960
is a man-made probably stealth aircraft

1758
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,559
that has abilities that most people

1759
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,240
aren't aware of and

1760
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:12,799
i agree with them that's that's most

1761
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,440
likely

1762
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,160
what it is um because there's so much of

1763
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,799
that now we know that stealth aircraft

1764
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,799
uh have these shapes we know that

1765
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:22,559
they're often tested we know that people

1766
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,599
see them

1767
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,720
um yeah what about the 30 or 40 miles an

1768
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,920
hour didn't you say

1769
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:30,079
that's what they were assuming it was

1770
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:31,039
yeah

1771
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:34,559
again when when this guy mark said to me

1772
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:35,039
that

1773
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:38,720
people aren't aware of well maybe

1774
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:41,359
maybe that's one of the things um you

1775
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:41,760
know

1776
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:44,960
i mean we there are some i think the

1777
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,440
marines fly in i forget what the what

1778
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:49,280
the designation number is but there's

1779
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,079
some jets

1780
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:53,119
that actually can kind of rise off the

1781
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,920
ground

1782
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,599
right and can float there for a second

1783
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,520
and then and then take off

1784
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,520
you know from a standing position and

1785
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:00,880
they've been doing that for years

1786
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,079
so i'm not surprised

1787
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,039
that our all the money that our tax

1788
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,440
dollars pay for the black ops projects

1789
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:11,520
have has come up with something that can

1790
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,960
do what people

1791
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:15,119
claim to see in the sky i don't have a

1792
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,160
problem with that

1793
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,720
and and it's not necessarily

1794
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,760
extraterrestrial

1795
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:22,559
when i asked my nephew ben i said you

1796
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,200
know what do you

1797
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,720
what do you think it was do you want you

1798
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:26,319
want to speculate what you think it was

1799
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:27,119
and

1800
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,720
he could have easily said well yeah i

1801
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:30,240
think it was an alien from out of space

1802
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,799
but

1803
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:32,799
he didn't say that he always said was

1804
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,319
uncle it was a ufo

1805
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:37,200
it was an unidentified flying object i

1806
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:38,400
didn't know what to think

1807
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,440
it was just there i had my my ipod i

1808
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,200
took a picture

1809
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,680
that's all and he did say that when he

1810
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:47,280
and his friend were looking at it

1811
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,319
that this thing was slowly zigzagging

1812
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,559
back and forth in the sky from right to

1813
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,160
left and it would rise up

1814
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,079
then it would do it it would do a little

1815
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:58,480
circle and then it would zigzag again

1816
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,839
and then it eventually disappeared

1817
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,039
behind some trees

1818
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:04,400
well that's a good signing no matter

1819
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,599
what it is

1820
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,880
it's something unusual and um

1821
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,119
so it made for a good story and i was i

1822
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:12,720
was happy that ben could be part of the

1823
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,520
story

1824
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,319
excellent so we're we're out of time

1825
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:18,400
basically lee but uh before i go

1826
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,960
alejandro wanted me to give you a hard

1827
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,560
time do you guys have a

1828
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,440
like a relationship issues ufo

1829
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:27,120
relationship issues

1830
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,199
we're like an old married couple you

1831
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,880
know we don't agree on anything

1832
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,480
we give the impression that we hate each

1833
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,480
other we're we're constantly

1834
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,319
saying bad things about each other in

1835
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,000
public when it when

1836
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,880
in fact we we cannot love each other or

1837
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,640
admire or respect each other

1838
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:45,040
more i i was the guy who helped them

1839
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,759
become

1840
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,759
one of the huffington post's best

1841
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:49,600
bloggers about ufos

1842
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:52,080
we we talk several times a week we just

1843
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,359
we just really

1844
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,679
admire the hell out of each other and

1845
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,759
and i'm happy to call him my friend

1846
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,359
well that's great well happy

1847
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:01,040
thanksgiving to you and thanks so much

1848
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,400
for joining us today

1849
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:04,080
thank you martin it's always a pleasure

1850
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:06,080
to be here with you well that's it for

1851
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:06,880
the show today

1852
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:09,199
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1853
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,239
our website which is podcast ufo.com

1854
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,159
you can also check out the links and the

1855
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,159
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1856
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,920
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1857
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,440
in our forums and i want to thank

1858
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:20,880
everyone for helping out with the show

1859
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,520
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1860
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,759
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1861
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,520
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1862
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,520
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1863
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,560
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1864
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,400
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1865
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,319
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1866
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,719
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1867
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,199
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1868
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,440
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1869
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:41,920
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1870
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,880
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1871
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,000
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1872
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,080
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1873
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,640
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1874
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,480
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1875
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,159
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